Yeah, thats why i said fail

lol that game is just free you know .Heroes Of Newerth DIE wew i also a 17+ psr there but im not a vip hahaha im just a poor man .,,but this DOTA 2 was so awesome i want the dl link now for D2 :grave:

interesting topic thats one offtopic, anyway i like HoN during the closed beta until they charged for it. it just wasnt worth paying for in a way, then everything got worse when they had client issues, unfixed bugs, and messed wit hhero's to much. to the point that even professional players were giving them crap in blogs and reviews

Ontop of that. as everyone has menchoned, the community ruined the game the most which also was menchoned by some high level dota players that even the admins go around calling people names, abusing people, and some have been caught making sexual advances ( yes you can google that, its truth )

S2 during CB listened to the community. then when they started making money, they chucked the community out, ignored them, and even expressed it. when asked why they didnt make an AI system there response was "its just far to time consuming and we couldnt be bothered" dont quote me on that but it was something like that

Now. HoN is known for a poor community. poor matchmaking, and way to many hero modifications from the original dota that people dont like and bugs which s2 ignore and dont fix because s2 just focus on releasing new hero's all the time and ignore important bugs

To find a match, I have to wait for 5 mins :|

^ I got the same feeling at garena :|

Spades wrote:

^ I got the same feeling at garena :|

at garena to find a match you have to wait over 5 mins to enter a room, over 5 mins to enter each game and play over 10 games that will end after a ragequitter leaves before 20mins to find an averagely good match

I paid $30 for this shit, played it once and tried getting a refund and was denied.

Hey but at least i got some silver coins i guess down the road, thats almost as good as real money if i wanted to spend $30 on virtual goods.

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To find a match, I have to wait for 5 mins Neutral

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^ I got the same feeling at garena Neutral

lol,...
i dk but i see the stat at garena HoN SE Asia has around 10.000 player online in busy time...
i only need couple second to find match.

myb some it because some country is disabled to connect...because lack of connection

some hero is too powerfull and most of them has combo skill to one hit kill

I just have to comment on this. So many ignorant idiots in here, its almost hilarious. Saying that HoN is going to die when Dota 2 is out is just dumb. Saying that HoN is a sucky game and not giving any valid reasons is stupid too.
HoN is a GREAT game for what it is. They have come a long way with it, and now it is not really a DotA clone anymore, it is its own game, like LoL. Aside from that, HoN has a different metagame from what Dota 2 has, and its more fast paced. I personally like that an awful lot, and that is why I am still playing HoN most of my time even though I do have access to the beta. HoN is better than Dota 2 in its current state in my opinion.

Don't be ignorants, at least try out the game. I didn't like how it looked when I started playing HoN in the very early beta in 2009, but now its amazing for me. Matchmaking issues? Sure, they have been there, but now, the matchmaking is pretty fast, wouldn't expect more. Also, HoN 3.0 is coming up soon, and it will improve the looks of the game. I predict it being successful even though Dota 2 is out.

Hello,
I put my sausage in this too .

I really like HoN but I also really like DotA. Im playing DotA because all of my friends play it too and my Pc is a bit too low for Hon.
But my brother plays it and that shows me the game.
Its not bad, why should it? Because its a copy? I really dont care about that. Thats like with the fashion. Somy guys which need money say: This looks good! and when you buy it youre cool.
I want a game which makes fun. And HoN is definitely a game which makes fun =).

Greetings

Poison wrote:

Hello,
I put my sausage in this too .

That does not sound gay at all

Lazze wrote:

I just have to comment on this. So many ignorant idiots in here, its almost hilarious. Saying that HoN is going to die when Dota 2 is out is just dumb. Saying that HoN is a sucky game and not giving any valid reasons is stupid too.
HoN is a GREAT game for what it is. They have come a long way with it, and now it is not really a DotA clone anymore, it is its own game, like LoL. Aside from that, HoN has a different metagame from what Dota 2 has, and its more fast paced. I personally like that an awful lot, and that is why I am still playing HoN most of my time even though I do have access to the beta. HoN is better than Dota 2 in its current state in my opinion.

Don't be ignorants, at least try out the game. I didn't like how it looked when I started playing HoN in the very early beta in 2009, but now its amazing for me. Matchmaking issues? Sure, they have been there, but now, the matchmaking is pretty fast, wouldn't expect more. Also, HoN 3.0 is coming up soon, and it will improve the looks of the game. I predict it being successful even though Dota 2 is out.

agree...its not that bad
HoN has faster gameplay coz there is no hero with lot passive + the skill dmg is overpowered than dota + usually a hero has Combo set to deal massive dmg even STR hero has combo nuke

I play with my friend just only using Midas + Geomancer (skill = 3 nuke + 2 stun + 1 dps )
with both combo it can kill every hero at early level in lane...specialy noob who not care

but about HoN > Dota 2 i'm not agree...

nankura wrote:

S2 during CB listened to the community. then when they started making money, they chucked the community out, ignored them, and even expressed it. when asked why they didnt make an AI system there response was "its just far to time consuming and we couldnt be bothered" dont quote me on that but it was something like that

Now. HoN is known for a poor community. poor matchmaking, and way to many hero modifications from the original dota that people dont like and bugs which s2 ignore and dont fix because s2 just focus on releasing new hero's all the time and ignore important bugs

I just want to respond to this

On the first topic is that i agree that S2 has gotten worse and worse as company, but at the part about AI it was that they didnt feel that it was neccesary due to the amount of players playing, and for most people it doesnt take long to find a MM game or even a public game. Thats why they didnt feel it was worth it at that time.

The matchmaking has gotten alot better, the community is crap and that i agree about, but sometimes you get matched with nice people and have really fun games.

The reason that they have to many modifications is that they cant copy dota heroes anymore, their contract with icefrog went out and he didnt wanna work for them as he didnt get free hands to do what he wanted with the game and was being a jerk about it. This started around the time that tundra was realeased (Beastmaster) so they had to change one of his abilites to a chargelike ability from the original beastmaster ability that was changed in a patch to the attack speed ability which they were not allowed to copy.

I do agree that they need to stop realeasing heroes and start balancing the ones they have realeased. Some of their hero ideas are really good and make total sense and dont feel OP at all, some tho are way too good and needs to be nerfed badly which they keep ignoring.

All in all i don't think the game itself will die out, its a nice game that has come a long way since release and is still improving upon itself (see patch 3.0 pictures) and i think it will still live on as a competitive game.

well it's easy.

There are just too many discussions all over the internet about what game is better. That's like you would make a discussion about is Audi better than Peugeot. Nobody can't win in this.

Point is, stay cool and don't troll, and let guys drive whatever they want. Next time i see post saying, HoN is piece of shit, that member will get warning. And i am serious.

On topic:

From what i know, HoN is way more similar to dota than LoL. Lazze, you seem like pretty hardcore HoN player, can you tell me why is HoN now way different than dota than it was before?

Nexus wrote:

Lazze, you seem like pretty hardcore HoN player, can you tell me why is HoN now way different than dota than it was before?

• New mechanics (Vector targeting, spellvamp etc)
  
• More fast-paced gameplay (a result of their fantastic netcode that makes actions instant, which it isn't in Dota 2. Also, they provoked ganking more with things like the new Strider boots that gives you a huge movement speed unlike other boots)
  

That is just two of the things that makes a huge difference, the list goes on. The thing they did with provoking ganking more also totally shifted the metagame from the one we know from DotA. That made a big difference too.

Lazze wrote:

Nexus wrote:

Lazze, you seem like pretty hardcore HoN player, can you tell me why is HoN now way different than dota than it was before?

• New mechanics (Vector targeting, spellvamp etc)
  
• More fast-paced gameplay (a result of their fantastic netcode that makes actions instant, which it isn't in Dota 2. Also, they provoked ganking more with things like the new Strider boots that gives you a huge movement speed unlike other boots)
  

That is just two of the things that makes a huge difference, the list goes on. The thing they did with provoking ganking more also totally shifted the metagame from the one we know from DotA. That made a big difference too.

*there is no hero with passive skill style.
*Skill synergy ..almost all (hon hero) has its own combo to deal massive dmg.
*no hill/cliff stuck
*favorite overpower hero (like dampeer , deadwood , amun-ra)

Lazze wrote:

Nexus wrote:

Lazze, you seem like pretty hardcore HoN player, can you tell me why is HoN now way different than dota than it was before?

• New mechanics (Vector targeting, spellvamp etc)
  
• More fast-paced gameplay (a result of their fantastic netcode that makes actions instant, which it isn't in Dota 2. Also, they provoked ganking more with things like the new Strider boots that gives you a huge movement speed unlike other boots)
  

That is just two of the things that makes a huge difference, the list goes on. The thing they did with provoking ganking more also totally shifted the metagame from the one we know from DotA. That made a big difference too.

hmm, no idea about vector targeting and stuff
the netcode thing would peace just a little because latency is minimal
and i like the idea of boots though idk how that could affect gameplay in its totality (could be super imba with some heroes like viper or nightstalker, just the first thing that occurred to me)

^ actually the boots grants you the power of slark movement....when out of battle u will get extra speed

vector targeting : click and drag mouse

qassamzed wrote:

*there is no hero with passive skill style.
*Skill synergy ..almost all (hon hero) has its own combo to deal massive dmg.
*no hill/cliff stuck
*favorite overpower hero (like dampeer , deadwood , amun-ra)

Those could be added too. But one thing; No hero is overpowered in HoN to a very big degree right now in my opinion. Take Amun-Ra as an example. The reason people find him OP, is because they don't know how to counter him. It's the same with a LOT of other heroes (Emerald Warden anyone?).

Also, I am in the Dota 2 beta, no secrets there. And I can tell you that there's a lot of things they need to fix and do. For example, something like Lich's ultimate. You can barely see it, at least not very good. Unlike HoN, a lot of the abilities are very hard to tell what they are. They did a lot better with the 3 newest heroes though. Also, something like a concede function hasn't been added yet. They really should add that as soon as possible, its very hard to see why not.

Lazze you cant compare HoN a finished game to Dota 2 A beta -.-

banebu wrote:

Lazze you cant compare HoN a finished game to Dota 2 A beta -.-

Sure I can. I am saying that there's stuff they need to do, not that they didn't do it. To be honest, the HoN beta was more finished in this state than the Dota 2 beta is, so it is totally viable for me to compare them. I am aware that its still beta, should have pointed that out more clearly though, you are right about that.
There is also stuff that VALVe could have fixed easily by now. Here I am talking about the delay Dota 2 has right now. It's almost worse than it was in Warcraft 3, and it is so easy to fix. I know that because I tried entering commands I knew from Counter-Strike: Source into the console to improve performance (like rates and interp), and it worked perfectly. They could simply fix that, but they didn't

qassamzed wrote:

^ actually the boots grants you the power of slark movement....when out of battle u will get extra speed

vector targeting : click and drag mouse

oh, then those boots are goddamn imba for escaping, once you get in fog of war it would be pretty hard to catch, specially if the hero that is scaping has sight of the enemy (which can happen with creeps wards abiliies or even just by being uphill

and that is what i thought vector worked, how is it useful

Howlgram wrote:

and that is what i thought vector worked, how is it useful

Vector based targeting is actually more skill dependent than the original point and click thing. It brings a whole new dimension into the game, but it has to be used right, else it will quickly become OP on the wrong heroes. So, assuming they use it right, it is both a fun and skillbased mechanic.

How is it useful? Well, imagine Earthshakers stun with vector targeting... the possibilities! (a little unrealistic, I know).

Lazze wrote:

banebu wrote:

Lazze you cant compare HoN a finished game to Dota 2 A beta -.-

Sure I can. I am saying that there's stuff they need to do, not that they didn't do it. To be honest, the HoN beta was more finished in this state than the Dota 2 beta is, so it is totally viable for me to compare them.

ok let me refrase my self you can't comapre HoN Open beta to Dota 2 closed beta happy?

banebu wrote:

ok let me refrase my self you can't comapre HoN Open beta to Dota 2 closed beta happy?

I was in the HoN closed beta and I still have the same opinion.
But I am with you. It's not right to compare Dota 2 with HoN at the moment. HoN have been in development for a long time, Dota 2 has not. I am sure they will fix a lot of stuff, but if I am going to like Dota 2, I don't know.