How many carries should a team have in a game?
What should the rest of the team be like carry, initiator, ganker, pusher, support. How many?
What would your ultimate 5 team look like?

there should be 1 hard carry, 1 semi-carry, 2 supports, 1 ganker

Gelay wrote:

there should be 1 hard carry, 1 semi-carry, 2 supports, 1 ganker

^this is correct

I agree with gelay

ok i agree with the above, except for the fact that insted of 1 suport you could use a Taunt-Tank : EX : Axe(Obviesly),Davion,Tuskar,Lycan

This ank always atract atention do theyre long stuns,taunts,Massive movemnt speeed and hp.

ALtough you could call them Hard Carry(Lycan) they are actualy very good as tanks.

My Ultimate Dota 2 team would look like this:

Tinker (Hard Carry), Furion (Ganker), Crystal Maiden (Support), EarthShaker (Support), ClockWerk (GankEr-Semi Carry)

Gelay wrote:

My Ultimate Dota 2 team would look like this:

Tinker (Hard Carry), Furion (Ganker), Crystal Maiden (Support), EarthShaker (Support), ClockWerk (GankEr-Semi Carry)

weak,weak,weak,weak.

I don't see tinker like a hard carry omg,even a smey carry could kill him in late,hard carry defnise as powerful Tank/Agi who can deal immensive dmg and is always bigger level and more farmed akka : Mort/Lycan/Traxex.

I wouldve said the ganker is good because is aswell a hard carry and semi carry,the suports are excelent stun and mana regen,plus slows and mini stuns,the semy carry coudlve been changed with a full time tank akka : Axe,davion,Panda,because the team is really fragile.

My Ultimate team is Mirana(Hard Carry/Support), Silencer(Semi-Carry/Support), Earthshaker(Initiator/Support), Furion(Ganker/Hard Carry), Abbadon(Tank)

I wasn't thinking about Late game with my line-up, this is the ultimate pressure line up with good ganking capabilities.
I really don't know why you always go for a very late game blood -_-


Hard Carry = Someone Like anti-mage, Soft at early game, beefing up at late game, so does tinker, why the hell do you want to tank the damage at the first place with tinker? sure, you can do it with spectre, but the purpose I place Tinker as the hard carry because I want him to eat up as much farm as possible for the pushing/pressuring/finishing the game at mid-late game... probably you don't see a monster tinker before..

Semi-Carry = Clock, I placed him there because he needs farm as much then less than tinker because I want him to gank effectively with items and tank, also that he goes to semi-utility Build, (Tarrasque, Pipe, Mekanism, Necro Book, Phase, Force/Euls)

Ganker = Furion, I placed him there because he synergizes with the 3 other heroes except tinker, Keep in place for Echo Slam, Fissure, Nova, Freezing Field, Battery Assault, Rocket Flare, also comboes well with Hook and Power Cogs,
and with furions around, there's the whole map that the enemy's gonna worry about, and think about pressuring together with tinker..
also good pressure/push material with Treants and Meka

Crystal Maiden = Support, placed her because of the heavenly aura she brings to the 4 other heroes, making their lane more aggresive, also adds in nuke and clash win percentage

EarthShaker = Support, placed him because of his Fissure holding down the enemies, also Good with Counter-Pushing
Fact: Place him in the team because I hate him having at the enemy line up when this is the line up

Soo, Clear? Expect for a 35 minute game if this line up is well played

there is an easy counter to this team , and you didnt have to explain all just Tinker,And clock only if you pick Tinker.


Your build is so easly teared up by Pudge ,or Venge .

Beefing down the ganker/"Hard carry " with a simple swap/Hook than either Lothar(For venge)or Simple run for pudge gonna tear up team.

that's why you have supports or highly mobile ganker riiiighhhttt?

and observer wards/sentry wards/dust/gem ain't funny

Blood4u, you totally deserve "this" face from teto:

^ So, are you going for a tinker trilane? lol!

No really, because i wanna see who's the monster tinker that can win 1v1 mid or long lane against hard carries with good early game (Broodmother, Balanar, a well played Potm, and many others, even AM could win to him).

Tinker is a good ganker that indeed needs gold, but if playedcorrectly, doesnt really need 25 minutes of farm to win a game before the hardcore lategame. Set a couple of stuns to chain with Tinker's nukes (vengeful, sandking, sven, wd etc..), an Hard Carry with a nice follow-up, maybe a solo mid or secondary solo Hero with a Good damage on towers ( Rhasta, Krobelus etc... ) and you're done with your Tinker pushing strategy.

Tinker needs to start roam in max 15 minutes, or he lose his effectiveness.


This is my point of view, i always wanna be sure, that someone is going to have the good follow up for the supadupa lategame ;P

my line up
io(hard carry)-io(semi carry/ganker)-io(support)-io(support/ganker)-io(tank)
xDDD

Nuk3 wrote:

^ So, are you going for a tinker trilane? lol!

No really, because i wanna see who's the monster tinker that can win 1v1 mid or long lane against hard carries with good early game (Broodmother, Balanar, a well played Potm, and many others, even AM could win to him).

Tinker is a good ganker that indeed needs gold, but if playedcorrectly, doesnt really need 25 minutes of farm to win a game before the hardcore lategame. Set a couple of stuns to chain with Tinker's nukes (vengeful, sandking, sven, wd etc..), an Hard Carry with a nice follow-up, maybe a solo mid or secondary solo Hero with a Good damage on towers ( Rhasta, Krobelus etc... ) and you're done with your Tinker pushing strategy.

Tinker needs to start roam in max 15 minutes, or he lose his effectiveness.


This is my point of view, i always wanna be sure, that someone is going to have the good follow up for the supadupa lategame ;P

I'm actually planning him as a mid carry, but heck let's experiment with trilane >

banebu: Io ain't a well pledged ganker :O

Gelay wrote:

Nuk3 wrote:

^ So, are you going for a tinker trilane? lol!

No really, because i wanna see who's the monster tinker that can win 1v1 mid or long lane against hard carries with good early game (Broodmother, Balanar, a well played Potm, and many others, even AM could win to him).

Tinker is a good ganker that indeed needs gold, but if playedcorrectly, doesnt really need 25 minutes of farm to win a game before the hardcore lategame. Set a couple of stuns to chain with Tinker's nukes (vengeful, sandking, sven, wd etc..), an Hard Carry with a nice follow-up, maybe a solo mid or secondary solo Hero with a Good damage on towers ( Rhasta, Krobelus etc... ) and you're done with your Tinker pushing strategy.

Tinker needs to start roam in max 15 minutes, or he lose his effectiveness.


This is my point of view, i always wanna be sure, that someone is going to have the good follow up for the supadupa lategame ;P

I'm actually planning him as a mid carry, but heck let's experiment with trilane >

banebu: Io ain't a well pledged ganker :O

first thing in clan games hardcarry goes 90% of the time in trilane.

I beg to differ about Io not being a ganker. His one of the better gankers in the game with his ultimate and wisps and he can travel 1000 units in 1.7 seconds with tether giving increased speed and a stun

Io was a better ganker when IceFrog didn't touched him so much, that poor guy, IceFrog Touched him so much that he lost the ability to slow with the Spirits

Gelay wrote:

Io was a better ganker when IceFrog didn't touched him so much, that poor guy, IceFrog Touched him so much that he lost the ability to slow with the Spirits

I'm pretty sure he still slows with wisps I played him today.... I always have the feeling that the heroes get slowed just not as much as before

banebu wrote:

Gelay wrote:

Io was a better ganker when IceFrog didn't touched him so much, that poor guy, IceFrog Touched him so much that he lost the ability to slow with the Spirits

I'm pretty sure he still slows with wisps I played him today.... I always have the feeling that the heroes get slowed just not as much as before

Sorry to disappoint but that's just your feeling =D

Guardian Wisp's Changelog
- Base damage increased from 33-42 to 43-52
- Attack range increased from 525 to 575
- Tether movement speed bonus reduced from 15/20/25/30% to 20%
- Tether stun duration rebalanced from 1/1.25/1.5/1.75 to 0.75/1.25/1.75/2.25
- Spirits Oscillation subabilities no longer interrupt Wisp's movement
- Spirits now circle slightly faster when there are fewer alive
- Spirits no longer slow
- Spirits life duration increased by 3 seconds
- Spirits now spawn over 4 second interval instead of 6

banebu wrote:

I beg to differ about Io not being a ganker. His one of the better gankers in the game with his ultimate and wisps and he can travel 1000 units in 1.7 seconds with tether giving increased speed and a stun

We can prove it Gelay ,so result I don't deserve that face from tetot Chan ,you desirve this image from Little Dark Blood4u.

Gelay wrote:

banebu wrote:

Gelay wrote:

Io was a better ganker when IceFrog didn't touched him so much, that poor guy, IceFrog Touched him so much that he lost the ability to slow with the Spirits

I'm pretty sure he still slows with wisps I played him today.... I always have the feeling that the heroes get slowed just not as much as before

Sorry to disappoint but that's just your feeling =D

Guardian Wisp's Changelog
- Base damage increased from 33-42 to 43-52
- Attack range increased from 525 to 575
- Tether movement speed bonus reduced from 15/20/25/30% to 20%
- Tether stun duration rebalanced from 1/1.25/1.5/1.75 to 0.75/1.25/1.75/2.25
- Spirits Oscillation subabilities no longer interrupt Wisp's movement
- Spirits now circle slightly faster when there are fewer alive
- Spirits no longer slow
- Spirits life duration increased by 3 seconds
- Spirits now spawn over 4 second interval instead of 6

Yep I checked that also just now still the feeling is good you try harder to kill him xD

Neither do I deserve that =P

banebu: your hero was nerf years ago, now waiting for IceFrog to finally touch Lina

Gelay wrote:

Neither do I deserve that =P

banebu: your hero was nerf years ago, now waiting for IceFrog to finally touch Lina

I know he was but I never noticed it stopped slowing i think the visual of the wisp exploding makes me feel the hero is slowed,