I have heard some news on Valve trying to copy right the name "DotA". In response Riot has attempted to copyright "Defense of the Ancients" spelled out.

I personally wonder why Valve feels they need to copyright this when no one before them has. It was after all a community made mod.
The only incentive I can see is that Valve is trying to shut down other DotA like games in order to insure their place in the market.

Does this seem evil?

No they just don't want any copys and expecially don't want blizzard getting any ideas after assaulting valve with copyrights.

It's not that they do not want other Dota games (though that would be had for business) they want to stop Riot really. Guinsoo or Paendragon, like the dick he is, decided to copyright Defense of the Ancients out of the blue so that Valve couldn't make DotA 2, so Valve has taken the rest (DOTA 2, Dota 2,) since DotA is now referred to as a word "Dota", they copyrighted the use of the word not the acronym.

MehzoR wrote:

It's not that they do not want other Dota games (though that would be had for business) they want to stop Riot really. Guinsoo or Paendragon, like the dick he is, decided to copyright Defense of the Ancients out of the blue so that Valve couldn't make DotA 2, so Valve has taken the rest (DOTA 2, Dota 2,) since DotA is now referred to as a word "Dota", they copyrighted the use of the word not the acronym.

Hmm in what I read it was the other way around. Riot was claiming to be "counter trademarking" after Valve had already done so. Does anyone have a legitimate article discussing this?

Geodripp wrote:

MehzoR wrote:

It's not that they do not want other Dota games (though that would be had for business) they want to stop Riot really. Guinsoo or Paendragon, like the dick he is, decided to copyright Defense of the Ancients out of the blue so that Valve couldn't make DotA 2, so Valve has taken the rest (DOTA 2, Dota 2,) since DotA is now referred to as a word "Dota", they copyrighted the use of the word not the acronym.

Hmm in what I read it was the other way around. Riot was claiming to be "counter trademarking" after Valve had already done so. Does anyone have a legitimate article discussing this?

Riot calls it "counter trademarking" but that's bull, the we just being dick. When they heard Valve trademarking "Dota 2" Riot (Paendragon or is it Guinsoo?) immediately tried to trade mark "Defense of the Ancients" claiming they were creators that deserved the name. Fags.

MehzoR wrote:

Geodripp wrote:

MehzoR wrote:

It's not that they do not want other Dota games (though that would be had for business) they want to stop Riot really. Guinsoo or Paendragon, like the dick he is, decided to copyright Defense of the Ancients out of the blue so that Valve couldn't make DotA 2, so Valve has taken the rest (DOTA 2, Dota 2,) since DotA is now referred to as a word "Dota", they copyrighted the use of the word not the acronym.

Hmm in what I read it was the other way around. Riot was claiming to be "counter trademarking" after Valve had already done so. Does anyone have a legitimate article discussing this?

Riot calls it "counter trademarking" but that's bull, the we just being dick. When they heard Valve trademarking "Dota 2" Riot (Paendragon or is it Guinsoo?) immediately tried to trade mark "Defense of the Ancients" claiming they were creators that deserved the name. Fags.

Wait why are you going out and attacking Paendragon/Guinsoo when we don't even know what the real story is yet? Remember this was a community project and in my mind that means no company should hold rights to it be it. Not Riot nor Valve.

I am really looking foreword to DotA 2 though To bad all this corporate insanity has to go along with it. I love valve and everything they make but I also really enjoy Riots work. Can't we all just be a happy family? :c

Well, they tried to take the name of the game that other developer had made awesome, and turn it into a cheap game.

While Valve is cooperating with IceFrog to do a legit and totally awesome improved version of DotA. (Gosh, i love Blizzard artists)

+ What they really had to avoid is blizzard since it is their WC3 and their models xP Riot is just being a dick by trying to screw Valve's plans

anyway, that is solved already

/\Yes so now we have Dota 2 safe in the hands of Valve with the beta's coming so happy

We know the story we have it posted somewhere in the news trust me Valve is just defending.

@Geodripp: If you were there in D-A when Pendragon made his infamous LoL thread and stickied it in D-A, you would understand that he's not quite the good guy. What's worse is that he never archived D-A like he promised he would in a matter of months. I'm not saying he has to, but I'm saying that he's not the type that keeps his promises.

yes thats true

banebu wrote:

We know the story we have it posted somewhere in the news trust me Valve is just defending.

Oh, could someone post a link please? I have yet to see anything saying Riot acted first :\ I have heard nothing but bad things about Icefrog at the same time..

"Whatever he is being paid, it is ridiculous, because the game is literally identical to DOTA. Everything from voices to art is being transferred over, because he demanded it. This game could have been made without his involvement at all." -- http://icefrogtruth.blogspot.com/

If you go and read through this the author claims to be a valve employee "whistle blowing" in concerns that Abdul is actually "stealing" from blizzard.

Now regardless of weather or not this is true doesn't Blizzard have a right to protect content? If this copyright from Valve is an attempt to avoid lawsuits and that is there only justification something seems wrong here to me..

I'm not trying to bash anything I'm just trying to debate and learn so please don't respond aggressively :c


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EDIT: "If you go and read through this the author claims to be a valve employee "whistle blowing" in concerns that Abdul is actually "stealing" from blizzard. " Okay in that I was a bit off as it seems to actually be a far broader conflict and the author claims something was published in Game Informer so I shall go look for that.

What content they have no right on the game only the models and if valve makes some difrences they cant call copyrights Defends of the ancients is Icefrogs game not blizzards and I suggest on not updating dota1 anymore just to keep it on the wc version

Geodripp wrote:

banebu wrote:

We know the story we have it posted somewhere in the news trust me Valve is just defending.

Oh, could someone post a link please? I have yet to see anything saying Riot acted first :\ I have heard nothing but bad things about Icefrog at the same time..

"Whatever he is being paid, it is ridiculous, because the game is literally identical to DOTA. Everything from voices to art is being transferred over, because he demanded it. This game could have been made without his involvement at all." -- http://icefrogtruth.blogspot.com/

If you go and read through this the author claims to be a valve employee "whistle blowing" in concerns that Abdul is actually "stealing" from blizzard.

Now regardless of weather or not this is true doesn't Blizzard have a right to protect content? If this copyright from Valve is an attempt to avoid lawsuits and that is there only justification something seems wrong here to me..

I'm not trying to bash anything I'm just trying to debate and learn so please don't respond aggressively :c


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EDIT: "If you go and read through this the author claims to be a valve employee "whistle blowing" in concerns that Abdul is actually "stealing" from blizzard. " Okay in that I was a bit off as it seems to actually be a far broader conflict and the author claims something was published in Game Informer so I shall go look for that.

IceFrog's name is not Abdul. That was a rumor spread on the net. Don't spread it here

Well i think that Dota is now from valve and Defense of the ancient could not be used like the description of dota (on dota2)

/\As I mention, Dota is now an unoffical word and how we refer to DotA so Valve copyrighted that instead of the acronym

Well whatever his name is, it does not matter.

The fact that they used Dota and not DotA or Defense of the accents is interesting though and it does seem a lot better than what I thought.
Thanks for bringing that up JuJitosis

I wonder how well these different games are going to co-exist.

As they do now. HoN is going to die (very little fan base and user base) and LoL will live for a while, it is very popular in China but it will die down and they will see the truth and come to Dota 2. The prob is many DotA chinese players (which is like 50% of dota's fan base) don't even know wtf steam is so Valve needs to work on that

Heh I don't think steam was even around in the time of DotA was it?
As of right now League of legends is the highest logged game on xfire. http://www.xfire.com/ World of Warcraft held that for like three years I think.

MehzoR wrote:

and LoL will live for a while, it is very popular in China but it will die down and they will see the truth and come to Dota 2. The prob is many DotA chinese players (which is like 50% of dota's fan base) don't even know wtf steam is so Valve needs to work on that

Lol has small diferences from dota, that makes more random players or "noob" players play to it, it is more simple than dota. I think that Lol will survive but dota will beat him of course

Oh I agree LOL and DotA are two different games. With Lol you have levels and summer spells. They advertise it as a "DotA like game" so I guess it was never meant to be the same.

I'm not sure I understand what your saying with " makes more random players or "noob" players play to it" though.

Geodripp wrote:

I'm not sure I understand what your saying with " makes more random players or "noob" players play to it" though.

i was trying to say that the people who plays lol do not focus on playing always or trying to found how the game funcs more than 80% of the people play only 2 or 3 games per day. For that i say that more random people plays it

Yea but Dota 2 will win np np

/\The thing is some LoL players are really stupid it's actually sad you should read there forums, it's sooo funny how the senior members diss their own game XD

You should really stick to edit or your going to fill up the thread D:
heh but yeah the community for League of Legends is awful. One of the worst I have seen and I still play : P

I can't really speak for HoN to much though as I haven't invested as much time in it. Hopefully the price tag on Dota2 will drive away some of the more obnoxious people..

I think it's a businessically brilliant move.