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I believe you already know what SOPA is, in-case you don't here is a link where you can find everything about it(no it's not another way to type -apso):Click me!

Now that you are informed about SOPA, I want to state my opinion.
I am totally with SOPA but for one thing, if this bill is to be published to the world it would mean YouTube would be taken down.
What does this mean?
It means millions of people with no other work experience will be left without their main and for most only money source.
And I think this is where it would go to far. We are already in a world crisis and we don't need more UN-employment.
What do you think?
I say this would just make riots all over the world, mayhem and chaos and maybe eventually World War III.

I would like opinions from everybody and if enough people agree with me, I'll be making a petition to make the exception for YouTube, job for plenty and home-provider.
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It's basically a good idea, but we all know that this is pure am goverm attempt to control the Internet. I don't even dare to start arguing about this.

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Sadly I didn't laugh to this picture you posted cause you already showed me Razz. I'm not asking for arguing or anything, I just want to hear the peoples opinion. Everything hostile will get deleted by me
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banebu wrote:
Sadly I didn't laugh to this picture you posted cause you already showed me Razz. I'm not asking for arguing or anything, I just want to hear the peoples opinion. Everything hostile will get deleted by me

Even if they are hostile towards sopa, it's still their opinion, so don't delete. It will be very interesting to read what people think about sopa. Although I already know.
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I meant hostile to each other(members and staff alike).
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Not WWIII, I believe Civil War first?
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Why civil if it would be for the whole world
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f*ck copyright laws.
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banebu wrote:
Why civil if it would be for the whole world
Because America is one of the largest internet users in the world and implementing it will give them a bad name. Also taking away their human rights to gain information they want at will. To me it is logical that American's will make their move first.
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Well i love piracy

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I like the idea behind the law but I think it needs a lot of work until its ready to be passed. Companies should have the ability to protect their intellectual properties but this is just going to be a mess. All it really takes is a few companies going overboard and we just lost all of our video sharing sites because someone decided to post Let's Play videos or AMVs.
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GoSuJinZ wrote:
banebu wrote:
Why civil if it would be for the whole world
Because America is one of the largest internet users in the world and implementing it will give them a bad name. Also taking away their human rights to gain information they want at will. To me it is logical that American's will make their move first.

True that
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ok to com on the subject firstly i didnt know what spa is but find out when i tryed to play mine craft and i didnt have acc and like an retarted i rpessed the icon that said need one?

But unfortunatly the site was down because they were participating to some protest??? WTF I WANT TO PLAY MINE CRAFT.(lucky theres offline as Nexus told me before i blown up my pc)
So i went a little more to see whats with the protest.

So now to go on the subject ("i voted FCK sopa Very Happy so just you know) i think this all thing is a bullshit why stop the piracy Very Happy isn't was obvious it sholdve been always stoped but it hadnt so let it this way.

The internet loves it this way.
Why some nerds need to change that?
I mean if you really want to seel products without being piratateed simply Hire the people that piratate this stuff Very Happy Lol so simple but seems the people around the world aren't so smart .
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Blood not everyone can have an IQ equal to ours
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banebu wrote:
Blood not everyone can have an IQ equal to ours

yeah, you two seemingly look like identical twin brothers.

edit: on the sidenote, Megaupload was killed right?
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I think it's still running, I didn't try, nothing has been killed yet, if you see any site down for some reason it's cause of an internet protest against sopa
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I'm not looking for the future without Piratebay XD
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Or porn Razz that would just be horrible
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If SOPA and PIPA was successful, Human Civilization is going to reverse Razz
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Human Civilization will march upon america and destroy the high council
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Whatever are the benefits of the act, the only benefit the US gov't cares about is the financial income increase.
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GravedamN wrote:
Whatever are the benefits of the act, the only benefit the US gov't cares about is the financial income increase.
Income decreases because a lot of job opportunities will be lost and economical crisis will occur again.
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Hey.

First of all, if YouTube goes down, I'll sleep with Nexus.
There are many companies relying totally on YouTube and "copyrighted" material and those will die away, but not YT.

Second of all, intelectual property is the biggest bullshit ever since the invention of "freedom". You can make a painting and be happy about it or you may even want to sell it for money. Sure, if anyone steals it, you will be mad because you have no painting. You can not look at it, you can not sell it - it's complete loss.

However, if someone were to look at the painting, liked it, came home and created the same painting all by himself, what did he do wrong? He used his own time and money to make the painting, so this one is his, even though it resembles someone elses, right? The first painting is still at his owner, he just has his own replica which now can look at or sell.
But according to huge corporations, that is forbidden.
Painting might seem reasonable, but imagine having a cooking recipe - that's still the same thing. It's shared all the time, but noone cares, because it actually helps with creating different ones.

Of course it works differently in computers - you don't need any material or skill to copy something. However that's the real point of computers - everything created there can be multiplied without end thus one idea and one creation can help the entire world and make it a better place.
Those companies simply say: Fuck that, we don't care about the world, we don't care about people, all we care about is enslaving the world so gtfo with constitution or any form of rights.

There are rules that apply in material world, for instance that stealing stuff hurts the owner, while on the internet stealing never really hurt anyone. It has different rules and you can not actually do anything without creating copies - even if you are just viewing an image from server, it sends you a copy to your browser, it doesnt send you the original - that is stored on the server.

So why are they so persistent on applying the same rules to entirely different world? I can tell you that money is not the answer, only a pretext. Internet is free and any information can travel quickly from one side of the world to another, unlike television which is controlled by their owners (or any other type of media). Internet caused so many problems already, people could read what has been happening in Libya, how stupifying are media in America or what the heck is China doing with their own people.

Internet moved the entire human race miles ahead and how they want to halt it with "copyrights". Dunno how many of you know this, but the entire internet was FREE (the only thing on this planet that came close to the definition), the hardware and bandwidth costed money however software (Linux+Apache) is open-source and can be downloaded for free and edited, HTML which is language for websites is (together with many more) also free to use to anyone who wants, PHP which is programming language for dynamic pages is 100% free and open... And look where it got us - internet is now more popular than the actual real world.
What is my point? Keeping something to yourself can make you rich, however it will never measure the wealth you would get from sharing it with others, because they will take it and make it better.
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Stealing things on the internet can and does hurt people. Both the motion picture and video game development industry have been hurt due to piracy and will make a good example. The people in these companies don't make movies or games just because they love it and want to share it with everyone even though that still may play a part. We live in a capitalistic society and they need to make a profit to keep their jobs and to keep doing what they enjoy. Every time someone illegally downloads a movie, game, comic, album, or anything along those lines they're hurting the company and the people that made it.

My problem with SOPA, PIPA, and to some extent ACTA is that it was too vague. We need a bill that spells out what and what isn't considered an infringement on someone's intellectual property so that the companies can't go crazy and start pulling everything they don't like down as opposed to just the product itself.
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Nyuklehead wrote:
Stealing things on the internet can and does hurt people. Both the motion picture and video game development industry have been hurt due to piracy and will make a good example. The people in these companies don't make movies or games just because they love it and want to share it with everyone even though that still may play a part. We live in a capitalistic society and they need to make a profit to keep their jobs and to keep doing what they enjoy. Every time someone illegally downloads a movie, game, comic, album, or anything along those lines they're hurting the company and the people that made it.

My problem with SOPA, PIPA, and to some extent ACTA is that it was too vague. We need a bill that spells out what and what isn't considered an infringement on someone's intellectual property so that the companies can't go crazy and start pulling everything they don't like down as opposed to just the product itself.
Yea. Because without piracy they would earn a lot more.
It's actually the opposite. Even Counter-Strike in my country (back in the days of 1.6) was HUGE because of non-steam. After a while non-steamers bought their original copies and moved to higher leagues but without pirated CS, the game would be only half as successful as it was.
Similiar thing applies to movies - even I go to see a movie I saw in cam version if its really good (doesnt happen much lately, they produce shit).
Things get popular over internet and off that people make money - its just different strategy and they need to adapt to that. It doesnt hurt them at all, on the other hand it makes them what they are - they just dont see it that way and thats why they are pointing fingers.
Not to mention the quality of movies/games is going DOWN in every aspect except for special effects.

Another point which I didnt mention is brought now by Nyuklehead, however I already explained this isnt about money. It never was and it never will be Smile
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